Cultivating Friendships as an Entrepreneur with Chronic Illness Danielle Bayard Jackson

Danielle Jackson: 0:00

I actually said I'm going to work on trying to share more about myself. I haven't been very comfortable doing that because I like hiding behind the blazer and the research. I like being like, oh you know, there's this new study, isn't it interesting? And then leaving and letting them do their thing in the comment section feels very safe and appropriate to me. And so I guess especially you know you're in this world, you're on social media, you know I would like to think I'm brave, but then you also know, when you put stuff out there, people can pick it apart. They don't have context of who you are, they just see something in isolation. One post and they come for you. So I think it's training me to withhold personal stuff, but I'm trying to do better about that.

Nikita Williams : 0:35

Welcome to Crafted to Thrive, the globally ranked podcast for entrepreneurs living with chronic illness. I'm your host, nikita Williams, and after being diagnosed with multiple chronic illnesses myself, I figured out the surprisingly simple missing links to growing a profitable business without compromising my health, and then I've helped dozens of women just like you learn how to do the same. If you're ready to own your story and create a thriving business that aligns with your health and well-being, you're in the right place. Together, we're shifting the narrative of what's possible for entrepreneurs with chronic illness. This is Crafted to Thrive. I am so excited to have Danielle Jackson on the show we have. I feel like I've been in your role for a long time, danielle, since our Babe Crafted days in Florida when I was in Florida, and I'm so excited to talk to you about friendship, because we all need friends. So please tell us a little bit about where you are right now in life and we'll hop into our conversation real quick.

Danielle Jackson: 1:53

Yeah. So life is great right now. Things are really happening with friendship, coaching and working as a friendship educator, and I like to say that because when I started this work six years ago it was not a thing and we got some pushback, but things are growing really well and it's been a really fun journey to be able to leverage my background in education to share with women what the latest research has to say about women's cooperation, communication and conflict. So I'm so excited for these kinds of conversations and I thank you for facilitating a moment to have this discussion because it's important.

Nikita Williams : 2:25

It is so important and it's also a hard thing, like I love that your book coming out in 2024, which is still weird for me to say but it's going to be talking about fighting for friendships, right, and I think that's really what it feels like for many of us. So I want to talk about your journey with friendships. I have listened and follow your advice. Half of my clients are like did you hear her podcast episode that she just came out about friends? I'm like girl, I know it's so good. What has been your experience? Who was your friendship coach?

Danielle Jackson: 3:00

That's so interesting. That's a great question. I think my friendship coach, coach and air quotes has been a composition of lots of different influences. You know, having certain friends who maybe the friendship didn't last, but they, you know. I had a friend in college who taught me I apologize because we weren't saying sorry when I was growing up in my house. That was weird, but she normalized it for me to humble yourself and say sorry, you know. To you know, show a friend romance and, to you know, tell her she looks pretty and you thought of her. I've had friends teach me that and so, thankfully, I've learned how, to you know, be a good friend through various offerings that I've received from the woman in my life.

Nikita Williams : 3:42

Let's talk about that for a minute, because I think it takes so much courage for a friend on the other side to say hey, by the way, you don't say sorry, what's up with that? So how has that, how have you had to learn to be that kind of friend and receiving that kind of friendship critique?

Danielle Jackson: 4:04

Yeah, you know what? I think a couple of things were at play. She had shown me evidence over the course of our history as friends that she means well, so it's easier to receive that kind of feedback from somebody you believe only means well for you and that it's not a shady thing. She's not trying to humble me, she's not trying to, so it's easier to receive. So there was some kind of safety there to receive that. I think what also helped is realizing that it's something you're always learning. I mean, think about it. When I was in college I was on the younger side, so I'm like 19 having this conversation, 18. So I don't really know. I just know the experiences I had with maybe the same high school friends. You had four years. You get out into the world. I don't know what other people like what's normal for them. This has been working for me. Maybe they were unhealthy friendships, but it's been working, quote, unquote. So I think realizing like it's all it's a continual process of figuring out how to better relate to other people made it a little bit easier to internalize. And then also the last thing I'll say what made it easier to take feedback is not personalizing it too much. I know there's so much chatter around that, but I think if you have some level of self-confidence and you believe you have a lot to offer this world, then you don't feel so fragile when people offer you certain ideas or pushback. You don't fall apart. You're just like, okay, that's interesting, you're right, you know. And so I think a combination of those things made it easier to receive.

Nikita Williams : 5:37

Oh, I love that you brought that up because I think it kind of lends to the conversation I've heard you say is like, what kind of friend are you being to yourself? Mm-hmm, in general, before you start seeking other friends to like validate or pursue things, like, check yourself first. It's something you always say like what about you? Come on, talk about yourself. Like what's going on? Like let's be honest, and I think what I'm hearing you say is that you had to discover what that looked like for you.

Danielle Jackson: 6:04

Yeah, and you might be hurt by certain relationships, but you also heal in relationship. So there are things about myself. I cannot improve or soften without somebody else pointing it out to me, because I have blind spots.

Nikita Williams : 6:20

So is there research that says that's true? Because I feel like we hear that all of the time and nobody backs that up with any factual information, just like what I feel like. That's the things like my grandma used to tell me or my mom used to tell me yeah, uh-huh, but so I know you love research, so tell us a little bit if there's anything that correlates to that.

Danielle Jackson: 6:39

Yeah, so you know it's kind of tricky. They have gotten better about the things they're able to quantify with research friendship, because we define friendship different ways and so it's hard to like nail down. But yes, many people say that one of the benefits of friendship is personal growth and that personal growth would come through feedback, through a different perspective. So it can be, it can definitely be helpful in those ways.

Nikita Williams : 7:05

Yeah, I believe that I feel like when you're triggered by a friend, usually it's something that you're insecure about yourself. And it shows it up like really, really big. You're like, oh my gosh. And then you walk away and you're like, oh, why did I respond so harshly when it was just a statement? I love that, yeah.

Danielle Jackson: 7:24

And that's if we can get there, because to your point I love that you said like our triggers, you know you're in a place where you can get to that point. Really, okay, this keeps happening. Maybe it's me, but it's interesting because I do get kind of alarmed when I hear women say you know, all my friends have always this, or women are always this, or every friend I've ever had. And I get nervous when we use language like that because at some point, if that's the narrative of every experience you've had, it does make me curious about your contributions to that situation. So when we say things and I don't mean to blame the victim or anything like that but when we do say things like everybody takes advantage of me, all my friends, always they're pushing my boundaries, they always okay, now we can't control others behaviors, but if you find yourself genuinely using the language of they're always jealous of me, every friend I've had, it does make me curious about what your role might be in those dynamics.

Nikita Williams : 8:21

Such a powerful one. If you need to pause and rewind, go back and listen to that. That's something, just a point. What has been some of your biggest challenges personally? With friendship that's helped you grow in your own personal development.

Danielle Jackson: 8:37

Nobody ever asked me that. Nobody ever asked me that. You know I'm Nikita. This is strong for me because I actually said I'm going to work on trying to share more about myself. I haven't been very comfortable doing that because I like hiding behind the blazer and the research, I like being like oh you know, there's this new study, isn't it interesting? And then leaving and letting them do their thing in the comment section feels very safe and appropriate to me and so I guess, especially you know you're in this world, you're on social media, you know I would like to think I'm brave, but then you also know when you put stuff out there, people can pick it apart. They don't have context of who you are, they just see something in isolation. One post and they come for you. And I think it's trained me to withhold personal stuff. But I'm trying to do better about that and for me, I think a struggle that I've had in friendship that I am working on is two things. One is I am an extrovert and I enjoy people very much. So I'll meet a girl and be like oh my gosh, she's so cool. And my husband jokes that I'm always like she's like smart and cool and funny. That's like my trio statement for everybody. She's smart and cool and funny and you only have so much capacity, and so it has affected the friendships that I prioritize most, because I'm stacking my social calendar with all these exciting let's go to coffee, let's go to this thing, let's take a trip a lot and then you have friends who you claim to care about most, who you aren't spending as much time with or checking in on as much as you could be. You know being very present and attentive because you're trying to do all the things and that's why sometimes I'm worried about, you know, extroverted clients, because we have all these people on the roster, but how seen and known are you? How supported do your mean people feel? Or are you continually distracted by just trying to do all the things with other people? So I'm working on that. I'm also working on vulnerability, because I don't know what it is, but sometimes I bring the brand into friendships or they'll ask me tough questions about myself and I'll be like, yeah, that's a good question. I don't know. I'm still thinking on that. You know, like it's a very PR answer and I've had friends who were like, okay, now you're, don't be a robot. It's a real response to that and it's hard, it's really hard and I'm exploring where that comes from, that pressure to say the right thing, have it together, don't let people see your kind of a mess. I'm working on that and I really don't know where that comes from, but I I it's hard to know intellectually what the research says about conflict and connection and to not have it influence your real relationships. So I'm really trying, I'm actively working to be better about that, wow.

Nikita Williams : 11:10

That's. That's really interesting. I'm an extrovert too, and I agree with you about that. I always feel the same way. I always feel like there's so many friends I need to connect with and it's hard to connect with all of the friends. Right, you have the ones that have been in your life for a long time, and then you feel like kind of like sad that you don't spend more time with them. But it's important to cultivate those relationships, to spend the time, because they cannot be friends if you don't spend time with them, exactly.

Danielle Jackson: 11:41

Is that easy, yeah?

Nikita Williams : 11:43

And I I get you about the vulnerability part. I, like all my friends, have always thought I was a coach, but now that I'm actually a coach, they're like you don't have to coach me right now in the key to like we're good. And I'm like oh okay, thank you, that's good, that's good, thank you, yeah. Yeah, I feel you on that, I feel you. So what are some of the things that you have learned from your clients who struggle with friendships? What?

Danielle Jackson: 12:09

do you mean, like, what have I learned from their experiences, or yeah?

Nikita Williams : 12:14

What have you learned from your like working with clients that maybe have served you and your own journey as a as as a friend to your friends?

Danielle Jackson: 12:24

One thing I have learned from doing this work for five, six years which is really cool is that the bravery that it takes to initiate is not something that stops at the very beginning. That relationship is a series of initiations and initiative and going first, going first. And I see that because a lot of the conversations I'm having with women are you know, they're at various points of their friendships and at some point the conversation reveals to us a space where she needs to go first. And I think a lot of times we think maybe that ends with like when you think a woman's cool and who's going to reach out first and who's going to suggest coffee first. But friendships are maintained through the courage to take initiative. Maybe you know she, maybe it's having a tough conversation. Who's going to bring this up first? Because we both see it, maybe it's realizing man, we haven't stayed in touch. Who's going to be the first one? Or are we going to get in our heads about? You know what I reached out to her last time? I shouldn't have to. Well, do you want to see her? Does she typically say yes when you an extended invitation? Okay, then you know and I don't mean to minimize it we all want to feel desired and pursued, even in a platonic relationship. But you know, come on with the game playing. So there's. There's a series of moments in our friendships where we need to go first, and that does require you to be brave, to put your ego aside. I know there's so much talk around that, but I'm learning through watching them be brave, right, and I guess things all day watching them be brave and then have their friendships be better for it, because we're giving themselves permission to go first, and that is something I've learned by observing them. That is influencing me and the decisions I make about my own relationships.

Nikita Williams : 14:03

Oh, that's such a powerful go first. That's a hard thing to do. I think you said in the beginning of our conversation, it's a humble thing to do as well. I think bravery does take a lot of humility, regardless of other things. Right, I think it does take a bit of that. So that's a powerful thing to take away. So I have some questions from my ladies in my world who are challenging with friendships, and so you know, my audience are women who live with chronic illness, who are running a business, so there's multiple hats that are happening with them in their lives. So it's not just their business, it's also life. Living with chronic illness and one having a business, you know, as an entrepreneur, is time consuming. Time consuming and I remember you, you mentioned something in a previous episode it takes 35 hours to make a friend. Right, and I don't know about you, but that seems like a lot of time.

Danielle Jackson: 15:02

Like where are those hours coming from? Ma'am?

Nikita Williams : 15:05

Exactly exactly so. For my ladies who feel already limited this is something they're constantly working on I'm working through too is not to feel limited, but to find the space and the capacity to develop friendships that are mutually serving each other. What are some tips that they can do in order to create that time while managing a business? While managing, you know, living with chronic illness, because that alone, for many of them, is a full-time job. How do they find 35 hours to cultivate relationships?

Danielle Jackson: 15:39

I know right. So it's really top, and especially, again, with those specific challenges on top, of that just compounds the issue. Yeah, so what you're referring to is a study that came out, I want to say, maybe one, maybe one or two years ago, and they found that it takes 35 hours 35, to take someone from an acquaintance to a friend. And so, to your point, a lot of us are like now, where am I getting this from Times? Three people. So we're trying to, like you know, carry the one. How do I do this? And so a couple of things for people who feel very, you know, time restricted. The first is to get really clear about who those top three to five people are, because what we talked about earlier, we're trying to maintain friendships with 18 different people that we like. Well enough, we like their company. That's great, but time is a limited resource, so it doesn't sound very sexy, but we'd have to start by being strategic. So who are the three to five? And let's go from there. Okay, once we've got our three to five, there's a couple of different things we could do. One is we can establish what I call a friendship ritual, which sounds kind of cheesy, but essentially this is a reoccurring commitment that lets me know I'm going to see you, I'm going to talk to you no matter how the wind may blow my way, which offers a layer of security to the friendship. And it also makes people feel special that like there's going to be the sacred time every Friday at 10 that I'm going to call you for 30 minutes on my commute. That's your time and I'm not doing anything else because I'm going to talk to you every Friday morning. So it gives some security reassurance. I've also found this is helpful for women in you know, new relationships, because one common complaint is like oh, she got boot up and now I don't see her. Well, if we've got a friendship ritual, I know I'm going to see you. And another benefit of that is it removes the mental labor of constantly looking in the calendar to figure out okay, well, I can do Thursday, I could do. We're really great about honoring that calendar. I know it feels technical, but putting down in the calendar blocking off 10 o'clock that's when I talk to my girl. If you can't afford to do that, you know and you have the freedoms to do that you know that would be helpful. So that could look like every Friday, a phone call. That can look like the first Tuesday of every month. Y'all do this trivia night at the place down the street, whatever the rhythm looks like for y'all, but at least I know I'm gonna see you. Another thing is to get strategic about how we spend those hours, because I know sometimes we're looking for more hours to use, but we might have to stack the ones that we've got. So maybe it looks like a co-work day where after every hour we take 20 minutes to just talk nonsense and then we get back into it. I gotta work, but I also wanna see you. Can I stack this time? Maybe it looks like socializing your interests. So maybe you typically read and watch movies and do art by yourself. Can we socialize those independent interests by just one degree? Can I ask her to come over and do something she wants to do while I do this painting for an hour? She doesn't have to paint as well. Can I ask her to come keep me company while I meal prep? If I typically walk or do my afternoon jog with my dog, can I be like hey, come tell me about your date. Do you mind coming with me? And can we run and talk? But what are the things you already have to do that a friend can join you on Whatever ideas we're subscribing to. About those hours long brunches, that's lovely when those can happen, but when you've got things going on maybe hanging out with friends we need to reimagine what that looks like. Otherwise we're gonna keep saying I just don't have time for friends Because in your mind it looks like three hours on Saturday afternoon and you don't have it. But you do commit 30 minutes every day to jogging. And the final thing I'll say on this is if there's any part of you that hears that suggestion, you're like I don't wanna be, like, hey, come jog with me or come run errands with me. That's not gonna be exciting enough for her. Most women are fine to just do that. And two, if you feel like you have the kind of women in your life that you'd be embarrassed to ask walk with you while you go grocery shop, I would encourage you to look at why you feel you have to have something very exciting and entertaining to buffer a conversation. Because one thing we often say is I wanna feel seen in my friendships, I want women. I can just, I could just think it is role in my house and we don't do anything but sit on the couch. Okay then. So we just, I think, have to look at time differently and see that, okay, we do have time. We just have to maybe be a little more strategic than we were before.

Nikita Williams : 19:58

That's such a good advice, I think too, for women living with chronic illness. There is a label or a level of safety that they need to have with their friends in order to do some of those activities right. Because you know we do a lot of lounging because we in pain and we watch on TV or doing like work or something from our sofa, and so to have a friend you feel comfortable enough to see you in that state. To your point, you gotta really be close to those people. You have to feel safe enough to invite them into that space. And so, to your point, maybe not all your top five friends are those people. Maybe it's two of those friends to consider to develop that deeper relationship. That's such good advice. The other question I have for you that has been constantly a challenge for myself even is working from home. The reason why I have a business and a lot of my clients who have businesses is because we can do it from home. We can be at home or not you know, we're not going to all of these events, maybe one or two, maybe, like when I say maybe maybe a month. We're comfortable in doing these things at home because it allows us the freedom of our energy, our capacity, living with the things we have to deal with, or going to the doctor's appointments, which is a whole. Another thing which, hopefully, if you have a good friend she'll, you can invite her. But what kind of support can you tell folks or give people to be? Like? How can you make friends when you're not out doing all of the things, like when you're working from home, you're not doing whatever it is that people do it's even hard for me to think about it other than coffee and like at a networking event, like, what are y'all doing? Like so how do you create new or cultivate new friendships as an adult? Because I think as an adult, it's different than if you you know you're in your teenage years. It's just very different.

Danielle Jackson: 21:56

Yeah, totally yeah. It does become tough when we have to facilitate these moments for ourselves. You know, the research tells us that our social networks grow and grow until about the age of 26, at which point they begin to shrink. And it's because at that time, you know, people start to adopt different interests and pursue different paths. I mean, we were all together during college and we constantly had this backdrop, this social institution of school, to tell us when to go to school. We're doing everything together in the dorms for some people. So now you come out of that and you're like some people are establishing family ties. They're very focused on getting married, having a baby. Some are like I got to climb up the ladder in this job, I'm willing to move for my job and I'm going to spend hours in my job to like move up to partner. Okay, so we're prioritizing different things and then we are putting friendship on the back burner. Then we come out of whatever haze we were in. We're like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What happened? Where did everybody go? Okay, because we didn't prioritize it. So it does become tricky to like okay, how do I make new friends for myself, especially if you know I have chronic illness, my schedule is unpredictable, my energy is unpredictable. So a couple of things. One is, you know, leveraging technology, which some of us are already doing, but there are apps like Bumble for Friends. You're probably already familiar with Bumble, but then they people started to hijack the app and they were saying, hey, I'm just here for friends. So then they made Bumble BFF and then that got to popular. Now it's its own app, bumble for Friends. And so I say that you can expedite the process of finding your people in a space where one the baseline is we're all here to make friends, so I don't have to kind of worry about like okay, she opened to this, that's why she's here. And then I'm putting from the very beginning what I'm looking for, what my goals are. I'm looking for somebody to play games with, to do the gym with, to whatever it is. But I might start from the very beginning talking about my capacity, what I'm looking for, what I'm prioritizing right now. And, yes, I might get swiped over by people who are like great, but it's going to bring me closer to women who are like oh, same, yes, and now we're matching right. So there are forms now to help people foster friendships in the same way we would romantic relationships, which thank God for that. We can also do things like stay open to having potential, like having like co-workers or people who work for us become friends. Now, I know this is where it gets sticky and people are like, okay, now I need separation, and that is true. But the number one place where adults make friends is in the workplace. I know, as entrepreneurs in the digital sphere, sometimes that that looks a little tricky. We can't walk down the hall to Keisha and be like, oh my God, that meeting was crazy, right. So it like makes it a little bit tougher. But are there people who are your vendors, contractors, who you've worked with a couple of times? And when you guys are on Zoom, it's like kind of a good time, like you're talking business, but you're also like man, she's cool, okay, so you know again in a natural, appropriate pacing. But the quickest thing you can do to maybe turn that into a friendship is to start introducing new topics to the conversation, because it probably is work focused, and so maybe I just like you know, on a Monday I'm asking her, you know what was the highlight of her weekend, just to like give her a chance to tell me she went to Disney, or she spent time with her kids. I didn't know. She had kids, you know. So can you just be brave and introduce a new topic of conversation to see if you guys can vibe in a different way? People are making friends with people who started out as coworkers. That's okay, as long as everybody's comfortable and we know what's cool or not. And so I think that those are two ways that, if you find yourself mostly at home, you can start building connections. And the last one I'll say is the few times you are out, you make the most of them. So I mean, even at Target, I'm not saying you're going around with a friend radar, look, I'm gonna turn these people into friends. But people have made things happen with somebody who was a stranger, like being comfortable standing in line, and I see that they have a t-shirt on that shows. They went to the Beyonce concert and be like oh my God, girl, what was your favorite part? What was your favorite part? I mean you think that's weird. Most people are relieved that somebody else got the conversation popping first, but from there then I can say like, okay, well, I won't hold you up, but like, good luck If you go to any other shows. Let me know Are you an Insta? You know a lot of people are comfortable and so making the most of the outings you do engage in just to connect with people. Maybe it doesn't go anywhere, maybe it was just a pleasant conversation on a Tuesday afternoon that boosted your mood, according to the research, that talking to strangers makes us feel happy. So you know, staying open to what can it look like under the conditions that I have?

Nikita Williams : 26:31

Such good advice. I love it because it's just really qualifying your time, being very intentional about your time, your effort, and it doesn't have to be fancy. It doesn't have to be like all this big huda, like what we see on movies all the time Sometimes this road trip and these big extravagant things. So I love that you simplified that. That was such a good advice. So I just appreciate you coming on and sharing a part of your story with Friendships, and I'm also excited to hear what can we expect in your book coming up in 2024? Like what should we be? Like juicing and like just being, like telling everybody about what's happening, what's going to grow. You can't wait to get your hand on this book.

Danielle Jackson: 27:14

Yeah, I'm really excited for it because you know, I'm in this space, so I read all the things about Friendship and people tag me in the videos, which is very fun. But I noticed something. I'm noticing that the books that we have on the subject some of them are either very high brow and they're biopsychologists who has very interesting information to say about connection and all that, and that's very interesting. But a lot of times it leaves you kind of like okay, you know, what do I do with that? I'm sure you hear that a lot as a coach. People are like okay, what do I do now? Okay, or I noticed that it's these books with like all these tips and tricks and hacks and I don't know. I feel like that is maybe helpful in some sense, but then you're walking around with this disjointed collection of random tips and then it's not rooted in any research, it's just tips that a girl made up, and so I just think that both are really important. It is really important to know what can I tangibly do to have better friendships, but also to know why and a lot of women who follow and I'm sure your audience too, I know are intellectuals. They're smart, they're running a business, so they don't need to be talked down to with five tips on how to go to brunch. They want to know not just what can I do, but help me understand what are the mechanics of women's friendship, why do I feel disconnected or why do I actually have everything else in my life together? But, dang, I keep getting this wrong. And so the book is tentatively titled Fighting for our Friendships, and it's all about how to overcome after something awkward does go down, because there are so many articles and whatnot on how to make friends and there's a little bit of that in there too, because that's important. But once we've got them it almost feels inevitable that there's going to be some moment where it got kind of tense or she misunderstood. So there's a little guidebook in there on how to handle nine of the most common issues, but it's sandwiched between more big idea chapters. Why do we fight? What brings women together? What makes us fall out? And my hope is that after women read it they're like oh my God, I didn't know there was a language for all the things I privately been kind of struggling with and thinking it's just me. That is my hope, and so that doesn't come out until May, but we're really excited about it and women have been very engaged and supportive, so I'm excited to get it in their hands and hopefully get the conversation started.

Nikita Williams : 29:32

Yeah, I'm excited about it too because, to your point, it's a collect. I like how you're saying that. It's like pulling all of those two places together, not just like what the doctor say and the research says, but like how do I implement this into my life? And also be aware I also feel you speak a lot around like where are you responsible for the things that are happening in your friendships? And I think that's going to help to put you kind of in the seat to be even more empowered to create friendships that are great and that, when they have the downs, you can work through them and not just be like I'm cutting you, because you know we do that we cut people out of our lives. Yes, so I'm looking forward to this. Well, thank you so much for being on the show and sharing a bit of your story with friendships and your information on, like, how we can cultivate them better. How can we find you?

Danielle Jackson: 30:26

Yeah. So I'm so happy to have been here and had this conversation, especially for this unique group to offer some kind of support as a resource. You know all the things live at betterfemalefriendshipscom the podcast, the articles, all the things. But at betterfemalefriendshipscom is where we try to equip women with that big high level understanding and then we get down to like now, what do I do about it? And so so far people have appreciated that approach and I'm just so excited to see what happens next Awesome.

Nikita Williams : 30:54

Well, thank you again.

Danielle Jackson: 30:56

Thank you for having me.

Nikita Williams : 30:58

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